Kung Fu San Soo in America

Jeff,

If anyone wants to know what really happened with Jimmy, the tapes, or what he said, WHY DON'T YOU ASK.  I never denied that I took tapes when he said not to.  He would run hot and cold, most of the time he would talk directly into my camera.  When the films in question were taken, I did not have a tri-pod and was standing directly in front of him (in his face) taking those photos.

I felt preserving him for future generations was more important than his fluctuating wishes, (I would do it again) so if that makes me a bad guy, you must decide.  I will tell you their was no evil or monetary considerations on my part but I really don't care what people think, I am sure that they enjoy watching these pieces of history.

I have mostly left the forums because of the caliber of people who really don't want to learn but want to play games.  Jon Surritt is a bitter person who has a hate for me and others who have more knowledge than him, he is a low level black belt with most of his knowledge from books, etc., someone checked and learned he has ordered 500 or more books.  He keeps chipping away at me because he thinks that I posted his criminal record of Domestic Violence on the net which I did not.  People like this cause the people who know, not to post which is the communities loss.

We have many times (Paul Borrisoff and others) caught Jon using our written words (as his own) and taking credit for them.  He has been involved in attacking a great San Soo site (East Hills, causing it to shut down), his sites have turned out to be run in a vulgar, nasty, mass of misinformation.  His whole goal is to convince us that he is a knowledgeable, high ranking, genius but his hate always comes through.

I am beginning to believe the only he and a fictitious alter ego run American San Soo, if this is so than it is his ultimate scam because he has fooled everyone, there must be some experts out there that can check to see who set that forum up.

I have asked his school peers what he knows and get smiles and head shakes.  He is ill both physically and mentally and on disability which gives him time to play games, my goal is to get out as much San Soo as I can. 

I am not going to banter, if you wish to ask me a question, use e-mail because I seldom read the boards, I will not lie to anyone about San soo or history.

One last thing that I have offered a couple of others, Jon Surritt, come down and tell me to my face what you know, we will call a forum of Senior Masters, we will both present our case, lets see who is right.  I will pay for your way down to California, if you don't think I will do it, bring it up to the community, I promise that I will do it because it is time that you are exposed and quit hiding behind your computor.

I hate to waste my time with things like this but the hatred and misinformation must be challenged. 

Thanks,

Ron Gatewood

How have you been Ron it has been a long time since we have spoken.  I did ask a long time ago about the tapes, the message was earased by JP for the language that I had used.  JP was right in not posting it, he politely told me so also.  So let me ask in a polite manner;  [Prior though, the information that I have recieved came from a lot of the you tube web site, no it was not John who had pointed them out to me].  He did though re-post the same thing on this site and we both agree with what was said and as you stated, Jimmy did not want you taping; that is history, I was not there so I have no answers just question.  Ron you know I am very passionate about this art; I am loayl to what I believe in and I believe that this art will fade if we do not pass our teaching to others?  As the teaching goes speak of your teacher the Grand Master, as I do of mine (no it is not hero worshipping) to students:  So why did you tape after requested not too?  Now I am not looking to stir the pot it is a simple question.  It is great that you had the courage to go agaisnt his wishes, why not share with your students?  The reason I say this, you have a gold mind, have seen all the recordings more than twice, so you have knowledge that others rely on memory for.  You have the tools, everyone knows this, you also have one of the greatest collection.  I know that you are, with respect when I say this, up there in years, you have several folks out there that may want to assist you with the teaching, seminars are cool, teaching is the greatest reward, especially when you see the student grow.  These are just question and wonder;  I am always thinking, history keeps me in check as San Soo keeps me humble, that is why I ask you these things.  Also you had set the record straight some time ago about the taping no need to answer it again.

 I film, write notes, I have some great footage of vintage San Soo as I have collected through out my short years in this art, forms, heck I took notes are all the exercises like them or not.  It is part of the art and needs to keep with it.  I was good enough to be handed down the raines for San Soo Michigan; Not sure if it was the passion or to ensure Michigan was being taught this art.  Not sure if I was the best choice but it was their choice, Chucks and Howards,   *** I have Chuck check me out so I can still keep things of pure art, some times I may not like what I am hearing, but it is good infroamtion and I surely appreciate the fact that he tells me these things, he is a teacher, who still teaches to this day;  Now again I ask you why you do not teach and pass your wealth of information to more than just a seminar and a memory.

As for John, I like any one who had reach the rank of the black belt club and it is not an easy road to get there.  Same for Lee, I think the guy is out there, but would want anyone better to watch my six, I know Lee would have my back the same as Jon the same as you.  No matter how much we get angry with a particular individual, we are students of Kung Fu San Soo, Jimmy's family of warriors, that you cannot disagree with.  As a veteran police officer you know what I speak of.  There has been a lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication for the most part.  Let you and I put our past history to bed and re-introduce ourselves to one another; Hi I am Jeff Cornelius, 4th degree black, school onwer, I mean no disrespect to you or any other meber of this art, my thirst will always need to be quinched for I cannot know all there is, no one can I do believe that Jimmy would a-test to this.

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Jeffrey P. Cornelius SR.
San Soo Michigan
4th degree black

I have produced 8 DVDs through the Preservation Society, WWW.sansoojournal.com ,even though there is much on each DVD many think it is too much, many make copies and freely give them out.  An instructor in your area got them all and made copies for each of his students.  Most all I have made goes back into the project, I had big plans on how to share the material and knowledge but that gets knocked out of you due to lack of support constant bickering, attacks including dealing with people who are trying constantly attack the project due to jealousy.

Since you do not know some current history, Jon is not a niece guy, I watched him trying to bait you with his made up basic 72 lessons if you supported his site.  Interesting that when I asked someone to checkout who set it up (American San Soo) it just happens to be down.  He gave a low rating for my book at Amazon to hurt sales, I complained, they agreed that the comments were at me so they removed it 3 times, he kept reposting and each time he dropped down one star, this is not a brother.  I leave him alone and only reply when he really steps out of line, he means little to me, other than becoming tired of his games.

I have tried to get the material out but it has come to the point that I am not going to pay from my pocket to train others.  I don't remember (because Barbara handles all that), did you get any of the tapes?  I found out some was lost in the fire (maybe 150 films and 150 audios) that I thought was safe but I still have a lot, all the videos were saved.  If there was more support I would teach everyday, show the films and listen to the audio, we could discuss what he said and meant.  Without explanation it would be difficult for students to understand the whole meanings, they would understand far less without it.  At this time I am not going to produce new ones (the 8 are still available) due to the rip offs but I will share the material.  You are right, I am getting older and I fear that much will die with me but other than just giving away my lifes work, what should I do.  I am a bad guy no matter what I do, I sometimes get so tired of the battle, I don't know if it is worth taking so much crap trying to do a good thing.

Our Art has more depth than most know, I only now understand what he said that I did not understand when he said it.  Everyone jumps on the band wagon to criticize that I have not produced the material, I needed to wait for technology to catch up because at one time I was told to save just my tapes to DVD would be thirty thousand (that is now complete).  I am in the process of paying $4,000 to copy my film to DVD, this is almost complete.  You are wrong because there is much material that I have not watched or listened to.  This is what I am trying to do, not waste time with Jon or his kind.  I find it interesting that you would get so upset with me on JPs forum, just ask, call, I will back up anything I say, I will tell you the way it was.  I really have retired from most forum activity, I find it negative and mostly wasted time so if you want to know, contact me direct.

One last thing, it was very rare that Jimmy asked not to be filmed, this was usually after some things happened (I can tell you offline) and I have many tapes where he explains and talks directly into my hand held camera.  I hold Jimmy much higher than I do my own parents, (believe this or not) there was never any disrespect to him but he was a link in the chain, for that chain to continue we needed to have what he passed to us.  He said an instructor can only pass 60%, so after 4 generations how much will we lose.  What I did, we can pass on 98% to each generation and lose almost nothing.  So, you tell me, did I disrespect or did I preserve him for future generations, I do not feel a tinge of guilt, I know what I did.  Would it be better to listen to people like Jon and what he thinks or listen to what Jimmy said? 

Thanks for you response,

Ron Gatewood

 

Good after noon Ron, so far I have tried posting three times today, but work keeps me from completing it cause of the length of time I am away from the key board.  As you can see I have added spell check because of my poor writing skills.  As far as giving away your materials that is not the intention of my last posting.  If you could, teach a small group of folks to take what you know into the future.  You have a gold mind of information most envy you for.  They say what they will it all adds up to what others have and what others have not.  There is only one other instructor of San Soo in Michigan and I will inquire about your concerns.  If he had done so I surely do not know anything about it.  I know the Traverse City school still favors Tom Akers.

As far as supporting any site I would more than be happy to do so, with the same respect in return.  I will not filter out any posting, but I will take out the slander for my youth class comes and view the posting; I do not need them to read profanity.  Jon did in fact ask if I would be become a member of his site in which I had done; he also has some great information and videos out there of a lot of San Soo practitioners.  I just want to know who Steve Rogers is?????  Maybe peace should be with everyone to include us by all.  Let us start from scratch.  As far as the slander on your materials or books, I agree it is not the cool thing to do.  If you are angry with a person take it to them not what they are giving so everyone may have a piece of the pie.  Jon has put out some quality stuff for free and I do believe that it is way his sharing with the rest of us.  In fact You Tube is loaded with videos of San Soo.  I am not standing up or speaking for him, he is capable of doing so, for he has done so in the past.

I had not purchase any tapes from you because of my own ignorance and from our last phone conversation about 5 years ago.  Right now I am in the middle of a move and such so I will be in contact once I am settled.  I am sad to hear the some of the materials were lost in a fire and for ever, but you still have a wealth of information and that cannot be lost.  Again teach it and preach as we all know you can.

As far as answering about the tapings; I was not there and you have already answer the question.  If it was disrespectful that is something you need to ponder, I cannot I did not hear the words spoken by Jimmy.  We are both as others guilty as charge for pipping off, with condescending, most offending threads I have read.  The evil needs to go away, support our art and JP, get over the dumb *** and act like grown ups.  LOL  We need to leave the school grounds of gossip to the others who just want to sir things up and no better than key board bandits.  Leave the it the door, no longer welcome.  We are in a positive mode with these posting let us continue.

 A lot of people were disappointed with you stopping the seminars; maybe some more thought on it, but it is yours and your decision alone.  I will support you in all cases.  I know what I had just writen may make some peoples heads turn but I stick by what I state.

 

 

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Jeffrey P. Cornelius SR.
San Soo Michigan
4th degree black

Oh ya, I believe this, how stupid does this guy think we are, I don't want to waste anymore time with it.  If he wants to live his fantasies he should read his books, convince others he is an expert, give away goodies and if he does that, he can be happy and these battles would not exist.

I have been trained in statement analysis, there are many clues that give leaks that this is the same guy.

http://www.americansansoo.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=157

Thanks

 

 

Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Avengers Mansion, New York City	Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Forum is back up... http://www.americansansoo.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=157  Well I guess I am a liltte in wondermeant of to whom Steve roger may be.......  Reading the writen message below, "As I mention in another post that is my name".........  Steve Roger signiture is right above the statement.  Now is Jon Surit writing these as Steve Rogers?.   This statement is different along with the rest of the message; he does have the goodies he writes about  from what I have seen so far.  But the Steve Roger name is Captain America or at least I remember it that way, who is writing the post?  Reason for the question I see San Soo Sifu on some of the posting in which is Jon..........................  same for Steve Rogers, just the same the site does have some great information............what mansion had you the need to visit? Valid questions, I think it is a cool site with a lot of great information but one does wonder who the real Steve Rogers is?   Sorry Folks, My Web Host transfered all its clients to new servers, and while my Email and Website worked after the switch, the all important AmericanSanSoo Forum did not. My apologies people... Of course I had to speak to a tech person in India! That'll teach me to visit the Mansion when something significant goes down... But the important thing is that we are back up and running, bringing you the finest in quality information and entertainment... Steve Rogers PS As I mentioned in another post, that is my name... not the usual suspects that everyone thinks it is... but so goes the normal rumor mill nonsense...
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San Soo Michigan
4th degree black

Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Avengers Mansion, New York City	Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Forum is back up... http://www.americansansoo.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=157  Well I guess I am a liltte in wonder meant of to whom Steve roger may be.......  Reading the writen message below, "As I mention in another post that is my name".........  Steve Roger signiture is right above the statement.  Now is Jon Surit writing these as Steve Rogers or Jon.   This statement is different along with the rest of the message, he does have the goodies he writes about or from what I have seen so far.  But the Steve Ro9ger name is Captain America who is writing the post?  Reason for the question I see San Soo Sifu on some of the posting in which is Jon..........................  just the same the site does have some great information............what mansion had you the need to visit?   Sorry Folks, My Web Host transfered all its clients to new servers, and while my Email and Website worked after the switch, the all important AmericanSanSoo Forum did not. My apologies people... Of course I had to speak to a tech person in India! That'll teach me to visit the Mansion when something significant goes down... But the important thing is that we are back up and running, bringing you the finest in quality information and entertainment... Steve Rogers PS As I mentioned in another post, that is my name... not the usual suspects that everyone thinks it is... but so goes the normal rumor mill nonsense...
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Jeffrey P. Cornelius SR.
San Soo Michigan
4th degree black